that's what paul ryan believes. >> i know. it's pretty shocking because he clearly has not been where i've been. every day in washington, d.c., i see the folks, the working poor, out early on the bus to get to their jobs, the folks that work late cleaning and janitors and the various office buildings. i see tremendous discipline. and i see an incredible desire to really make a go for their families. he just is out of touch. that's why we invited him to come to cincinnati and meet some of our people, but apparently they are not coming. >> speaking of out of touch, you told e.j. dionne that the president has gotten disconnected from the people he cares about. explain what you're talking about. you think the president is disconnected? does he need to reconnect? >> that's why we invited him to cincinnati tomorrow, but i think the debate last week evidence that he got really into his policy side when really the conversation needs to be about the people that are struggling in our society. tomorrow we're hosting one man from clevelan